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Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:49 am ]
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Right, yesterday was an exciting, busy day.

At 11:30, TNT delivered a big box from Madinter (in Spain), containing 6 sets of Madagascar rosewood, 2 sets of Indian rosewood, and a bottle of titebond. YAY! TITEBOND! Oh, and the wood's quite pretty too. Needs sanding to clean up, and at least 6-12 months more drying time (IMO), but it's nice. Possibly the nicest set:


Although the others aren't bad:


Rest of sets may be found here. The Indian's might nice, especially the classical sized set. Then, to my surprise, just as I finished stickering and weighting the sets, along came the regular postman, and delivered not one, but two boxes! One contained a bunch of lovely quilt maple for electrics, that I later went off to get resawn into carve top and drop top sets, and the other a package from Jeff at Brazilwoods, packed with some Pau Ferro (which I haven't unpacked yet, because I'd just finished stacking all 100+ fingerboard and bridge blanks on top of the stickered stack of backs, and I needed to get out the door to drive the maple down for a re-saw...).

Pics I got from Jeff are here, for the curious.

So, yeah. Yay! Also, there was a box from Dick tools with 2 hand-cut rasps (Herdim, fine, fine looking and feeling tools), a couple of files of various descriptions (because the ones I've been using have been very bad quality dime-store ones, and I'm tired of having to deal with them), some riffler rasps for my sister, and the heaviest straightedge you've ever seen, ground to something like a .004 mm tolerance over the 55cm of length, with a rubberized plastic grip on the fat edge, in a nice leather case. Sweet!

And then there was today. See, I'm house-sitting for family of very close family friends, so I get to make use of the car (a Porsche 911, I might add ), so I took the opportuity to drive places that I wanted to go, and that are a pain to reach by car. So I headed to the 'other' large timber place in NL (the one I usually go to being here in Amsterdam); much bigger, a LOT of very tempting wood (mostly for electrics), but worst/best of all..some Brazillian.

Some very, very nice brazillian. Dark chocolate brown with some reddish streaks, the two pieces I've tentatively 'reserved' are around 1" thick each, look like they're from the same tree, one perfectly sized for sides (didn't find anything that looked like it would match the boards I already have, mind), one perfectly sized for backs (I guesstimate 8" wide). Straight, no cupping, the board for backs has some solid knots, some swirls (flatsawn wood), and the only flaw is one end check that's far outside any potential template area. With good resawing, I could get 2 very, very, very nice sets out of those two boards. The problem: I can't legally ever take them out of the country, because they don't have CITES paperwork. And NL? Small country. They came from an bankruptcy auction for a fine furniture factory a few years back, very old stock stuff, and they ain't cheap; total cost for the pair would be 460 euros (500 dollars, ish), meaning 2 sets at 250 bucks each. Which really isn't bad. And then there are the other 2 or 3 boards that are almost as nice with similar price tags that are a-tempting me. I'm trying to find out if paperwork is even get-able, and whether its worth buying these sets. I'm assuming CITES work would cost, if it is even possible (I somehow doubt the recipts for wood aquisition for the bankrupt company will ever actually surface/even still exist, sadly), and I really don't know if I'll stay in NL all my life. Family will, but will I?

In short: ARGH! I've got a week to think it over and decide what I want to do, then my nametag gets removed from the boards.

Mattia Valente38773.5292361111

Author:  Colin S [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:23 am ]
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Mattia, They do have some nice Madagascan don't they!

One question I'd ask, when you can get Madagascan like that for their price why do you want to get BRW? Could you tell the difference between a Madagascan and BRW guitar by listening? And as far as looks go is it that much better, if any? OK that's three questions. I've got a couple of BRW guitars and they sound good (as far as rosewood goes) but I certainly won't be buying any BRW when I've got enough Madagascan to keep me happy. Don't be tempted, certainly not without a CITIES certificate.

Colin

By the way your links just bring us back to this thread.Colin S38773.5166203704

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:47 am ]
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[QUOTE=Colin S] Mattia, They do have some nice Madagascan don't they![/quote]

Oh yes. Some very, very nice Madagascan indeed!

[quote]
One question I'd ask, when you can get Madagascan like that for their price why do you want to get BRW? Could you tell the difference between a Madagascan and BRW guitar by listening? And as far as looks go is it that much better, if any? OK that's three questions. I've got a couple of BRW guitars and they sound good (as far as rosewood goes) but I certainly won't be buying any BRW when I've got enough Madagascan to keep me happy. Don't be tempted, certainly not without a CITIES certificate.

Colin

By the way your links just bring us back to this thread.[/QUOTE]

Fixed the links, and when you put it that way....I doubt I'd hear the difference. Touche. And I can get two sets for the price of one Braz, with a receipt (which I'm keeping, since I don't trust stuff not to go on the CITES lists before I pass on/build with it). I think I'll blame the intoxicating smell of Brazilian (because, oh, that smell is lovely. Beautiful) and all that. In terms of looks, this stuff was quite specially (so dark its almost black, light figure, and that smell!) But at end of the day, you're right; it's just rosewood, this stuff's prone to instability/cracking, and without the paperwork, it's a major pain. I'll just get a few more MadRose sets and nice dark EIR or something. Eventually.

But first, I'll save my money for the next Cuban mahogany I see coming along. Because I really want some more of that Mattia Valente38773.5341550926

Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:49 am ]
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Mattia, my first thought was: Buy the Brazilian, you numbskull! My second thought was: You know, I totally agree with Colin. So there. Whichever way you go, I can say I had a hand in that decision.
All wishy-washiness aside, I think that Mad. is so pretty, who needs Brazilian?
Would this firm (Madinter)sell to blokes in the U.S.? Do you have contact info?

SK

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:59 am ]
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[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] Mattia, my first thought was: Buy the Brazilian, you numbskull! My second thought was: You know, I totally agree with Colin. So there. Whichever way you go, I can say I had a hand in that decision.
All wishy-washiness aside, I think that Mad. is so pretty, who needs Brazilian?
Would this firm (Madinter)sell to blokes in the U.S.? Do you have contact info?

SK[/QUOTE]

Hehehe...I'm deeply conflicted. See, if I could export the brazilian freely with the EEC, which is the size of the US, it would make the dilemma more real. But the Netherlands are, what, the size of Rhode Island or something (OK, maybe a bit bigger, but you get the drift). So it's a touch limiting, to say the least.

Madinter's to be found here: http://www.madinter.com/, and I'm sure they'd sell to US folks. Don't see why they wouldn't, but the shipping might scare you (I'm immune, since I order heavy stuff and have it shipped transatlantic with moderate frequency). Tell them I sent you (for what little that's worth), and ask them for some sample photographs to make a selection from. Might take them a few days to reply, but with me, that was because they were busy taking pictures of wood to forward to me. Prices are on their website, and they've got good deals on all the MadRose bits (bridge blanks, each of which is more than big enough for 2 bridges, headplates, fingerboards; great EIR pricing as well, although they do not have bridge blanks that'll fit most steelstring bridges, being chiefly geared towards classical guitars), and some very, very nice jet-black ebony fingerboards. My major caveat: this is 'stash' stuff, don't assume it's dry and ready-to-build0with, and I want to leave all of it alone for a good year before building with it, at the minimum, more for the ebony if at all possible. Since I build slow, that's not a problem Mattia Valente38773.5428819444

Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:04 am ]
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Thanks, Mattia.

Steve

Author:  Colin S [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:09 am ]
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Steve, This is their site:

Madinter.

I buy quite a lot from them, as does Russell, they send me pictures, for me to select. I even got some Euro bracewood from them, some time ago, that I re-sawed to make a top at least AAA, cost 1.50E, about $2, and I've got 3/4 of the bracewood left so a top for 50C! Their WRC tops are the best I have ever found. This Mad rose set I posted recently was from them cost me 125E.



Email: sales@madinter.com for delivery details.

Colin

PS they don't sell dreadnought size wood

Mattia beat me to it!Colin S38773.5497569444

Author:  Serge Poirier [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:11 am ]
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Looks like you're gonna be quite busy Mattia, some dilemma you got but i'm sure the brilliant guy you are will find what's best to do!

Author:  RussellR [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:00 am ]
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Hesh Stickering is when you stack the wood with little Sticks in between to aid the drying process, Mattia has weighed it on scales so he can work out the moisture content so he knows how to handle the drying process

Author:  CarltonM [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:07 am ]
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Hmmm...I think Paddy has infected the forum with a "bulk-wood acquisition" virus.

Looks like you're gonna have fun, whatever you decide, Mattia!

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:18 am ]
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[QUOTE=RussellR] Hesh Stickering is when you stack the wood with little Sticks in between to aid the drying process, Mattia has weighed it on scales so he can work out the moisture content so he knows how to handle the drying process[/QUOTE]

Stickered and WEIGHTED. As in, put weight on top. If I had a good digital scale, I would've weighed them as well, though. It's high on the shopping list ;-)

Anyway, my stash, when it was a quarter of the size it is now, sides on the bottom shelf, tops on the top:


Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:33 am ]
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Oooh, nice hat!

And notice how well Mattia has everything balanced on his VCR!


SKSteve Kinnaird38773.732337963

Author:  Robbie O'Brien [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:42 am ]
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Mattia, that is some beautiful wood. I would hate to have to make the choice about the BRW. Good luck!

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:25 am ]
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[QUOTE=Steve Kinnaird] Oooh, nice hat!

And notice how well Mattia has everything balanced on his VCR!


SK[/QUOTE]

;-)

The backs are stacked below the TV, see? And I got more in there by using thinner (6mm) stickers.

And, yeah, the hat? Covering my first attempt at a vine inlay on a guitar that was never finished and all. Makes a great hatrack!

Author:  Serge Poirier [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:05 am ]
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I'd love to see that movie there " MEMOREX" The title sounds so futuristic! Please forgive my voyeur side!

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:31 am ]
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[QUOTE=Serge Poirier] I'd love to see that movie there " MEMOREX" The title sounds so futuristic! Please forgive my voyeur side! [/QUOTE]

Hehehe....I do have a sizeable collection of SF, but that, sadly, is little more than an blank cassette tape.

Author:  ATaylor [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:30 pm ]
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The voyeur is strong here: that's one mackin' bottle of cologne you have there on the TV Mattia! Is that a NL thing?

Author:  Rod True [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:58 pm ]
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Steve, I recently sent the folks at Madinter an email requesting shipping charges. Here is the reply.

Dear Rod,

Thank you for your email. The shipping charges for 4 sets (sides and backs), is approximatly 90 euros to ship to Canada, but it also depends on which wood you want, because they do not have all the same weight. If you have any other question, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards

Florent Allame for:
Luisa Willsher
sales@madinter.com

Author:  Don A [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:59 am ]
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I'd definitely stack my wood above the tv, its worth a lot more.

Author:  Steve Kinnaird [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:05 pm ]
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Forget the tv. Buy that Brazilian rosewood, display it prominently, and just sit back and look at IT.

Rod, thanks for the info. That shipping sounds a bit steep to me. It would be, perhaps, cheaper--and definitely a lot more fun--to go vist Mattia and pilfer some of his wood.

SteveSteve Kinnaird38774.9632407407

Author:  Mattia Valente [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:54 pm ]
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Hehe....indeed. The TV's there to break the fall if the wood comes crashing down.

Also, 90 euros (about 100-110 dollars) shipping for 4 sets, transatlantic, doesn't seem too bad. Ballpark for what I usually pay to get stuff from the US, and they leave their sets pretty darn thick (a hair under 1/4" per plate) which doesn't help cut down weight. If you can get a few guys together, you may want to consider a group buy, cut down on shipping costs.

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